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Post by Benji Duncan on Nov 22, 2007 0:33:00 GMT -5
I just prefer the temperature because I sleep better.
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Post by Apple Pie Princess on Nov 22, 2007 10:26:06 GMT -5
Hey! I met my current bf in a bar! Was it a christian bar? what do you mean??? there are no christian bars.
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Post by Benji Duncan on Nov 24, 2007 18:02:46 GMT -5
I know. You say you're a christian but you go to bars. Sounds like a contradiction.
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Post by Julia on Nov 24, 2007 19:31:07 GMT -5
Well bars don't have to be about booze and casual sex. Maybe a Christian bar is just like minded people meeting up to chat, dance and enjoy music? Actually sounds like a good idea.
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Post by Benji Duncan on Nov 24, 2007 22:20:23 GMT -5
Julia, there is no such thing as a christian bar. Apple goes to real bars with booze in them and claims to be christian.
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Post by Julia on Nov 25, 2007 20:09:12 GMT -5
Well so do I but that doesn't mean i get drunk or drink. I go to bars because some have live music and its a good place to meet friends in the evening when things like coffee shops are closing.
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Post by Marvin the Misfit on Nov 26, 2007 0:54:53 GMT -5
But you're giving a bar your business Julia. I don't know how things are in Penn but if you were a member of a church in northern michigan and you gave a bar your business you would definetely get the smack laid down on you.
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Post by Gene on Nov 27, 2007 16:54:06 GMT -5
But you're giving a bar your business Julia. I don't know how things are in Penn but if you were a member of a church in northern michigan and you gave a bar your business you would definetely get the smack laid down on you. I wouldn't put it as strong as how you phrase it, but I'd agree that there does seem to be a cultural split of barflies and church-goers. I attend a church regularly, and know a good 100 or so people from it. I also play acoustic guitar and sing in the local taverns. Of the two groups, I've only seen a grand total of two people which are common to both. However, I do a non-tavern "Bayside Live" gig once a year held regularly on summer Thursdays outside near the marina. A good number of my church aquaintences attend that one. I can only attribute it to that church people don't like to be seen in bars, but I don't like jumping to general conclusions... I'm not a big barfly myself, and pretty much go to taverns because that's where the live music is zat... Taverns and live music are pretty much in bed together, so I have to take them both or none at all. I chose the former. Bars are quite a different world, and I've gotten pretty familiar with them over the years, for the above reason I said. I can drink for free (although I normally only take advantage of this after my second set.) What other place can you work at where you can actually DO this? It's pretty strange!... They ain't the most discriminating places, I'm here to tell you; You don't find a lot of big family guys or millionaires hanging out in these places... It's especially bad in the very rural bars. When I was in college, you went to the bar to have fun and socialize, but in some of these small town dives, I got corrected about that: The point to many of these places is the DRINKING, period. Seeing alcoholics plastered by 3:00 in the afternoon is about as far from fun as you can get; Instead, oppositely, it's very DEPRESSING! Not all places are like this, though. I've gotten to know quite a few people from bars, many of them "winners" (by my standards, anyway...). It has crossed my mind that the blue-haired church ladies may be whispering behind my back about being a musician that plays in bars. I've decided to not let it bother me. Life's short and I've got no time for that kind of thing, really!...
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Post by Julia on Nov 27, 2007 20:31:50 GMT -5
Well depends what kind of bar you go into really. If its a dark smokey one with a long line of motorcycles outside and big guys with tattoos beating each other up, then sure. But I don't go into those kinds of bars!
There is a bar about 3 blocks from where i live where alot of Christians go in the evening, its quite well lit and have a nice atmosphere. Its open at the back so not smokey either. They usually have some good bands playing there, its not somewhere where drinkers go really the Christians scare them off I guess ;D They are open during the day too and do food, its quite nice. If your ever in Pittsburgh I'll show you.
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Post by Benji Duncan on Nov 28, 2007 0:21:14 GMT -5
well there is certainly a difference in midwestern religion and east coast religion here. there would be no church group that goes to a bar up here. that would be strange. in fact most people i know who attend church regularly dont even go to movie theatres- even to see disney movies- because they have a problem giving their money to the theatre so they can show R rated movies.
gene,what would you say to an idea of requiring any local business that allows alcohol consumption on their premises to have to hire a security guard to watch the parking lot and make sure no one drives home drunk? even if the county contributed a third of the security guards salaries and made the establishments pay the other 2 thirds, it would save a lot of hassle from the troopers and local police.
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Post by Julia on Nov 28, 2007 20:38:50 GMT -5
Thats like saying they are not going to use lawyers because they sometimes represent guilty people. Or hospitals because they can treat alcoholics or drug dependent people. If you take it to that extreme you would never leave your house because everywhere you go is somehow even vaguely connected to something or other.
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Post by Benji Duncan on Nov 28, 2007 22:10:45 GMT -5
i agree. i didnt say i was defending the logic, just stating it.
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Post by Gene on Nov 29, 2007 8:48:24 GMT -5
You propose a radical idea on the surface, Benj, but it isn't really, since a form of something like this is already in place.
I've been told (through conversations I often have with tavern owners) that a tavern CAN be held responsible for "over-serving" someone with booze, then having him drive. If this is so, then that means it's up to the establishment to gauge how tanked someone is and to not get it to the point of it being dangerous for this person to drive. If a patron gets to this level by accident (which can be easy, since a busy night has plenty of distractions), then this implies that the establishment must stop the person from getting into a car. Taverns can be sued for this "negligence", and it has happened.
You can probably surmize how tavern owners feel about this. I'd have to say that I agree with them. Pardon me for sounding like a Republican on this, but people eventually have to be responsible for THEMSELVES and stop playing victim and looking for someone else to blame for their own stupid actions.
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Post by Gene on Nov 29, 2007 8:55:16 GMT -5
I know. You say you're a christian but you go to bars. Sounds like a contradiction. Then call me another contradiction, then, reporting for duty!... What being Christian is is pretty darn far away from the point of whether you drink or not. You seem to imply that they are pretty attached, but it just ain't so.
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Post by Benji Duncan on Nov 30, 2007 1:43:09 GMT -5
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